Rules and rabbits :)

[lnsane]

Hi after long long time finally i broke my foot and i had a lot of time to check last round and i will see part of this round!!!

My first surprised last round was being logged off because i had AD block plus as extension, my second surprise was the public ggs and protected accs, very nice. Nice cash for single robberies, credts to buy weapons (add for methadone plz!!!) But no gangs still cant find way to bring ggs back and now will be even more dificulty! but is ok. That way of hitting from inside the rave if worked all the time would be nice but it wasnt and u tooked away try to get it back, however the refreshing inside the raves arent 100% many many times u only see hp even when u are refreshing so well maybe is this amazing lag over here.

So lets get serious now,

Rules
These rules apply to all parts of The Crims.

1. You are solely responsible for your account. Your account will never be restored or rollbacked unless the damage has been inflicted by the Crew. Credits might be restored if there is sufficient evidence of abuse.

>>>> So if i am responsable for my account others players actions is not my problem, i have NO gandalf or crystal ball to know anything, if some ppl in painel after check things doesnt know the difference imagine us who doesnt know if we are talking with a real girl or a boy or in between.



3. You are not allowed to log in to another player's account or share accounts in any way. This also means you are not allowed to pass or exchange it.

>>>> So plz be free to ban all in top5 because those are shared accounts, shared drugs, shared stats, shared credts, shared everything they are maybe sharing their own pc! Nobody ever won the round alone without sharing something somehow so this is an absurd rule.


13. Violating or attempting to violate any of these rules will result in a penalty decided by the Crew. Gaining advantages via another account which has broken any of these rules can result in a penalty, each case will be judged individually.

>>>>> Here is the best one, and this is the best TC rule because if this were some kind of contract which by the way and sorry to let you know this is a contract we all sign a contract to play TC a virtual contract which we agree with those type of rules however we agree to play and lets talk about those rules... in a real world a contract should be 50% and 50% both sides has the same right, players x game(crew) but when you read : " crew will decide( decide when ? ) " "judged individually
(serious ?)"

You know i have seen many many things on this game and this type of thing never worked before and will never work.

Those itens are struggling and stop to read and think : " Ok so im responsable for my own account ... wow but if someone offers me drugs, credts, stats how can i accept if i dont know if he/she/it broke the rules ? wow ok Im only responsible for my own account and also PLAYERS CAN NOT SHARE ACCS IN ANY WAY ? so can you plz read those rules and try to understand because honestly the new changes, the boring game, the dead gangs will never stop me or who use to like a very fun and nice game but this type of self control of the game in crews hand judging cases individualy is a shame.

The game wants us to be clear, report bugs, do not use this or that but how clear things are to us...

Is it fair to play a round and get banned because you donate your stats for someone ? NO it is not but depending who is in crew you get banned or not because things are judge individualy. I have seen players, honest player loosing top3 because donate! How fair is this ?

Same is applied for those who get the donations!
1. You are solely responsible for your account.
1. You are solely responsible for your account.
1. You are solely responsible for your account.
1. You are solely responsible for your account.

And who has the power to know ? will only check after the round ends ? come you do have personal life we all respect that but 30 mints of your time which btw you would be probably logged in tc anyways get some accs and check, is it that dificulty ?

The round starts wrong from the first day and will be 25 % fixed after 1000 players spend credts and time this is a ZERO respect. And for that the game lost many players already.

I loved the no mult acc, congratz, dont ever bring back those rabbits again, but you know better than anyone because you are a very smart guy that when the players want they will have one way or another, so i always suggest to charge straight forward no mercy, do you think this would change anything ? Noooooo because the ones who plays a lot will play the credts to start a round... and for the noobs, well you have the protected account for them so create some limits so no one will use that acc as a rabbit and the new players will play for free to get to know the game, next time if they like they pay the credts to start. I dont know is just an idea :P but rabbits are all around but well, just to make myself clear, I am solely responsible for my account.

[lnsane]

Just to give you an exemplo:

mbgama21
Porradas solo
Data Atacante Vítima Resultado
61 13:47 mbgama21 mbgama55 Vítima morta
61 06:55 mbgama21 mbgama55 Vítima morta
58 20:17 mbgama21 mbgama55 Vítima morta
58 02:50 mbgama21 mbgama55 Vítima morta
57 23:36 mbgama21 mbgama55 Vítima morta

21 getting stats from 55, what this looks like ? like a rabbit same nick chaging numbers used by same player, how do i know if he didnt break any rule ? I killed this bastard many times this round already and now i just check his hits and wow what i see is something that gets me going, because the rules arent clear.

+1 ^ very nice

[memox]

Dirty stats is a delicate problem for sure, but let me start by answering your first questions about the rules:

1. You are solely responsible for your account. Your account will never be restored or rollbacked unless the damage has been inflicted by the Crew. Credits might be restored if there is sufficient evidence of abuse.

This rule was created to make sure that players understand that what happens on their account is their responsibility. For example, if someone logs into your account without permission you are responsible for those actions. This does not mean or imply in any way that you are not responsible for stats or any other item that might end up on your account. The rule says "You are SOLELY responsible for your account", not "You are ONLY responsible for your account" that is a big difference.

3. You are not allowed to log in to another player's account or share accounts in any way. This also means you are not allowed to pass or exchange it.

This rule is important for the single account system but also for the safety of the account itself. In the past we have had problems with friends betraying each other and destroying accounts when they shared. To sort out this problem we created the trusted account system as you probably remember. I am fully aware that people are using different services to remote control their friends' computers and frankly we can't do shit about that at the moment. Transferring stats between accounts has never been against the rules and rule 3 doesn't even imply that. This also goes for drugs, credits etc. Rule 3 only limits the sharing (logging in) of the account itself in any way.

13. Violating or attempting to violate any of these rules will result in a penalty decided by the Crew. Gaining advantages via another account which has broken any of these rules can result in a penalty, each case will be judged individually.

This is the grand finale of the rules - what happens if you break them. We have a set of standard ban times for different types of cheating. Instead of explaining every ban type we have generalised them with the information in this rule. Each case is judged individually and a punishment is decided based on that judgement and the standardised ban times. This rule also says that "Gaining advantages via another account which has broken any of these rules CAN result in a penalty" which means we are aware of situations that you are talking about. We both know that there is a difference between milking and hunting, occasional attacks on a cheater will not lead to ban.


It is not the first time that dirty stats and "who knew what" is discussed. I personally think that banning for dirty stats is the worst type of ban in TC and I want to do something about that. I totally agree that you as a player shouldn't have to step on your toes when you have found a victim to hit. I am looking into the possibility of automatically clearing dirty stats from an account but it is a quite delicate process. The idea is that this should work in a similar fashion as the removal of kills on banned accounts. Dirty stats can be transferred in many ways and it is important to remove the correct and a fair amount of stats. There is also the question of other benefits that you have received from the dirty stats such as extra production from buildings and hookers. At this first stage I have decided not to take such benefits into account but they might very well do in the future.

If you have input or feedback on this I am all ears.

Transferring stats between accounts has never been against the rules and rule 3 doesn't even imply that. This also goes for drugs, credits etc. Rule 3 only limits the sharing (logging in) of the account itself in any way.

And this should be next new rule, sharing stats/drugs/creds should be banned

Top20 are accounts that like 30 ppl plays for each acc, so how should new player understand that if he want to reach top places he need to find few idiots to play on him? This days is realy hard to find new gang to stay ther for whole round, thats means there is no chance to reach top10 because of those 20 nonlife ppl who plays on one acc

Edit:
Also You need to do something about this:
http://www.crimsteam.site90.net/crim..._ofertaen.html

People are using it.

3. You are not allowed to log in to another player's account or share accounts in any way. This also means you are not allowed to pass or exchange it.

I am fully aware that people are using different services to remote control their friends' computers and frankly we can't do shit about that at the moment.

So this rule it's unseless. Because all top player uses different services to remote control, you dont resolve nothing with this rules,because i dont see any ban for service remote control, because 1 player can log with example teamviwer 2 account and this is rabbit mode....So i think you can delete this rule.

[memox]

We are doing work to prevent all types of bots and it is a constant "cat and mouse" game. I don't see that we should ban transferring of stats and items between accounts. Instead I think we should promote cooperation between players but do this via gangs.

About rule 3 being useless. I can agree to some extent that it fails to meet it's full potential. However, you shouldn't only look at what the rules doesn't do you should look at what it actually does. It prevents people from logging in directly to each others account. They must use other means to circumvent our checks. We will never be able to detect if teamviewer or any other remote control application is running as long as TC is a browser game. There are other means though to indicate to us if a user is sharing his or her account but it is rare that we actually catch someone doing this. In that regard the rule is a failure but it still serves a purpose, because without it the one account rule would be useless as well.

[lnsane]

Dirty stats is a delicate problem for sure, but let me start by answering your first questions about the rules:

1. You are solely responsible for your account. Your account will never be restored or rollbacked unless the damage has been inflicted by the Crew. Credits might be restored if there is sufficient evidence of abuse.

This rule was created to make sure that players understand that what happens on their account is their responsibility. For example, if someone logs into your account without permission you are responsible for those actions. This does not mean or imply in any way that you are not responsible for stats or any other item that might end up on your account. The rule says "You are SOLELY responsible for your account", not "You are ONLY responsible for your account" that is a big difference.

3. You are not allowed to log in to another player's account or share accounts in any way. This also means you are not allowed to pass or exchange it.

This rule is important for the single account system but also for the safety of the account itself. In the past we have had problems with friends betraying each other and destroying accounts when they shared. To sort out this problem we created the trusted account system as you probably remember. I am fully aware that people are using different services to remote control their friends' computers and frankly we can't do shit about that at the moment. Transferring stats between accounts has never been against the rules and rule 3 doesn't even imply that. This also goes for drugs, credits etc. Rule 3 only limits the sharing (logging in) of the account itself in any way.

13. Violating or attempting to violate any of these rules will result in a penalty decided by the Crew. Gaining advantages via another account which has broken any of these rules can result in a penalty, each case will be judged individually.

This is the grand finale of the rules - what happens if you break them. We have a set of standard ban times for different types of cheating. Instead of explaining every ban type we have generalised them with the information in this rule. Each case is judged individually and a punishment is decided based on that judgement and the standardised ban times. This rule also says that "Gaining advantages via another account which has broken any of these rules CAN result in a penalty" which means we are aware of situations that you are talking about. We both know that there is a difference between milking and hunting, occasional attacks on a cheater will not lead to ban.


It is not the first time that dirty stats and "who knew what" is discussed. I personally think that banning for dirty stats is the worst type of ban in TC and I want to do something about that. I totally agree that you as a player shouldn't have to step on your toes when you have found a victim to hit. I am looking into the possibility of automatically clearing dirty stats from an account but it is a quite delicate process. The idea is that this should work in a similar fashion as the removal of kills on banned accounts. Dirty stats can be transferred in many ways and it is important to remove the correct and a fair amount of stats. There is also the question of other benefits that you have received from the dirty stats such as extra production from buildings and hookers. At this first stage I have decided not to take such benefits into account but they might very well do in the future.

If you have input or feedback on this I am all ears.

The fact is simple we agree with the contract to play a game, one account game, and EVEN if we get advantage from any account that was cheating we still have nothing to do with this and thats the problem, to check and ban is your side of the deal, so how can we pay credts, spend our time and then wow to get this full rollback on the account(advanteges) would be easy but there is no rollback in the real time/our lifes, so is it difficulty to notice from the first day who should be the targets to check ? I dont think so what happens rounds and rounds over and over again is a domino effect once you dont fix asap you will have a bigger and unfair problem in the end.

I do know that this is huge because even if "A" knows about "B" is cheating still will accept anything
However i remember a long time ago i use to milk plenty bot rabbits gang from someonelse, of course i knew, i reported all the time, but would be fair to take that away from my account ??????? Of course not, im playing the game, i was the one spending my time and credts to find those cheaters rave, so both situations are in the same position and you cant put both inside the same rule. And how about when "A" donate to "B cheater" and gets banned? come on

I dont agree about receiving this messages about removing kills... i killed, is my kill i cant get not even 0,1 punished by a third person action, so in the real wolrd when you are not 100% sure u cant send someone to jail but what happens here is: you know that person was clear but well the other one wasnt so both get banana.

By the way this is a Gang game, single account right ? So why not a single account player is the winner??? Why do you have 1 rule about not sharing in any way when the soccer teams are there and is clear as crystal thats is shared acc somehow. >>> somehow this includes ip, dont think that a soccer team acc is logged by 1 player only we arent kids here, even u cant proof coz u cant, but play dumb... no.

In the past when mult acc werent allowed or maybe was just a little like in the begin the motivation to create a gg was that each player was playing by itself, we had gangs where we could help or not the leaders now you have 10 kids for 1 acc, no real gangs.

Another thing that was the soul of this game is dead... the best trick to clone accounts by changing nicks... set the nick free change by cash, i agree about charging even for booze but this was such a nice thing to do that now is 5 feet under.

Just to finish, the account who put the ga on could leave the gg in the past and the ga still would be there, this would be great to put back.

I know i speak too much this will never change, but thats what i think